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    War of 1812

    new Orleans 193.69.39.32 (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    ? Shearonink (talk) 19:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Impressment

    “ The issue of impressment also became irrelevant as the Royal Navy no longer needed sailors after the war.”

    This is not at all explained and on the surface seems nonsensical. Can someone expand it please? 2A02:C7C:5690:A000:6864:AAD8:DFD3:3301 (talk) 07:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Algiers

    Hello Cinderella157, would it be preferable if i mentionned the implication of Algiers in this war in the body before adding it to the infobox ? Best. Nourerrahmane (talk) 10:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, it is to summarise key facts of the article. So, yes. Otherwise, we are left wondering, why is Algiers there? Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 10:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Regarding the recent addition
    The British would also ask Algiers, the most powerful of the Ottoman affiliated Barbary states, to attack U.S. ships. The regency declared war on the U.S., capturing American merchant ships and enslaving their crews.
    This seems WP:FRINGE and I would dispute that Algiers should be recorded as a combatant. Is there any support from reliable sources regarding Algiers having a tangible impact upon the war? Why were they not participants in the peace negotiations at Ghent? Keith H99 (talk) 11:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Algerian declaration of war in 1812, is a direct reason for the second barbary war. Algiers being the strongest of the barbary states is the reason why Britain asked it to join the war against the U.S., since Algiers imposed at that time tribute on the U.S. shipping in the mediterranean. This is supported by multiple sources and doesn't have to be necessarly nationalist in nature. Nourerrahmane (talk) 12:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The sources i provided seem reliable to me , here's another one [1] Nourerrahmane (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Two of the most well known American sources on the Regency of Algiers: Wolf [2] p. 313 and Spencer [3] p. 139-140. I would suggest adding to the aftermath of this war some informations about the motives for the second barbary war (Algerian attacks on U.S. shipping, stronger U.S. navy and Congress declaration of war on March 2, 1815. Nourerrahmane (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If I was going to put across an argument about the Second World War, I would not be quoting from books about the First Indochina War. These sources pertain to Algiers. I would expect there to be mention from a reliable source about the War of 1812, in particular the naval aspect, such as the writings of Roosevelt, Toll, Daughan or similar.
    Aforementioned Sources:
    Barnes, Gregory Fremont (2006) The wars of the Barbary pirates
    Wolf, John B (1979) The Barbary coast: Algiers under the Turks 1500 to 1830
    Spencer, William (1922) Algiers in the age of the corsairs
    I remain of the opinion that the concept that the Algerian corsairs were a partner of the British, in the War of 1812, to be a fringe idea. I do not think this will be accepted as something to remain in the article. Keith H99 (talk) 13:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I get your point, and honestly that's how i used to work on the article of the Regency, by stating refs that deal directly with the subject matter. In this case you're free to remove what I added unless i find Algerian participation in RS that deals with the War of 1812. Thanks. Nourerrahmane (talk) 14:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The impact of the Barbary states had an impact upon the fledgling US Navy and its Corps of Marines, for sure. I don't see this occurring during the War of 1812, though.
    The British would also ask Algiers, the most powerful of the Ottoman affiliated Barbary states
    Regarding the above (1) the present conditional of 'would also' to be removed, and in principle replaced with 'had asked'. (2) Although that corrected the grammar, the content of page 41 does not document a request from the British to declare war. It was an unhappy coincidence for Madison that an Algerian declaration of war (on an as-yet undetermined date) occurred when war against the British commenced in 1812. It is interesting that any American shipping in the mediterranean were vulnerable to attack, as mentioned on page 170. It becomes clear that these subsequent attacks would lead to the second war in 1815. (The reservation I would have with the book by Brendan January as a reliable source is that it does not contain inline citations, so it is hard to determine the evidence behind his comments.)
    The talk page is useful, for the debates that arise. This article has been in existence for over 20 years. I have not come across a concept of Algerian participation in my reading about the War of 1812. I think others will have opinions on whether this is a fringe idea, or whether it can remain.
    Thank you for having been polite and clear in your communications on this topic, especially given that I gather that english is not your mother tongue. Keith H99 (talk) 14:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Infobox and belligerents, with Spain on the list

    As things as they currently are, I have 3 observations

    1. Strength of US Allies is only 125 Choctaw. Surely, there must be more numbers for the various tribes?
    2. The Regency of Algiers has been added in good faith, but I do not think this should remain for much longer.
    3. Spain is listed. Given the Peninsular War was taking place, it did not have the resources to actively intervene, to launch an offensive, in overseas territories. (Simon Bolivar took advantage of Spain's weakness at this time.) A jittery Governor of Pensacola, Mateo González Manrique had his territory and his neutrality violated by the British officer Edward Nicolls, then Jackson came along and violated the neutrality. When Nicolls left, he took half the Spanish garrison away, which was stranded elsewhere for the remainder of the conflict.

    There is no declaration of war on the part of Spain against the US, or vice versa. There was effectively a border dispute with the Battle of Pensacola (1814), but the impotence of the Spanish was not going to see any ongoing conflict on their part.

    I don't see the US Navy listed as pro-Arab forces in the Six Day War, and I don't see the Brazilian armed forces, or the Finns, as combatants in the War in the Pacific from 1942 to 1945.

    Spain has been mentioned in passing in the past

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_of_1812/Archive_22#Spain

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_of_1812/Archive_20#Infobox

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_of_1812/Archive_8#Spain?%60


    I think as it currently stands, it is misleading, and implies Spanish forces engaged from 1813 through 1814. I am only aware of the capture of Pensacola on November 7, 1814 as the one time Spanish forces were engaged against the US Army during the War of 1812. I don't think being sandwiched between the fiery and ill-tempered personalities of Jackson and Nicolls was a particularly appealing prospect! Keith H99 (talk) 20:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_of_1812