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Hey Chubbles, I saw that you recently reverted A Lighter Shade of Brown and I don't fully understand why you rolled back my reference update. You said that "the AMG ref did not verify the information inserted". I don't know what 'AMG' means in that context, and I did verify that the source says that DTTX died in a coma after 11 days on July 18th. Did my edit just get caught in the crossfire of reverting the prior IP-user edits? I'd appreciate clarification before I try and update/fix the bare url source on the page. Thanks, CheesedToMeetYou (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct that I appear to have reverted two different editors, which I did not realize at the time. My main concern was with the bad IP edits. I'm not sure the TMZ article meets WP:RS, but I've no qualm with the format updating. Chubbles (talk) 02:53, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chubbles. Myself and Brian run a label called Lovitt. We actively release music from artists from all over the world. You have taken down our Wikipedia entry which we have never maintained — as we understand it would be advertising if we had — but always appreciated having. What is disappointing is that we have a long legitimate history of over 25 years. Lots of press and coverage over time much of it was on the site. We also have released new notable records in the last 5 years including Icelandic artist of the year Sóley and her new record, Mother Melancholia. So, in all humility the discussion around the removal of the page felt like it was built with little awareness of a. the Independent music community or b. DIY culture — what recourse do we have and what steps should we take to have the decision reviewed? It also seems as if some of the users were “sock puppets” and have since been band from Wikipedia. Thank you for your time and let me know if you have any feedback.

david@lovitt.com 122.58.106.54 (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, you have the case all wrong. I fought for the article to be kept in a community deletion process; another editor nominated it for deletion, and the community consensus, over my protestations, was that Lovitt Records was insufficiently notable enough for an article. I know how important Lovitt is; you don't have to sell me on that. But at this point, the only way Lovitt will ever have an article again is for multiple substantial, independent pieces of journalism about Lovitt to surface. That means profiles of the label (not its artists) in a major music magazine, newspaper, music history book, or music encyclopedia. Since it has already been deleted by the sturdiest process for deletion Wikipedia has, the community bias will be against reinstating the article without a convincingly large amount of independent, third-party media coverage. If you can find me such coverage, I am willing to work on reinstating the article. I would encourage you to send it to me rather than adding it yourself; Wikipedia very much looks down on people writing their own articles, and since yours was already deleted, it's overwhelmingly likely it will be deleted again if someone with a vested interest tries. Chubbles (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. We couldn’t figure out how to reply to your thoughtful response to my original questions. I understand — kind of — what you are saying. I also appreciate the advocacy. At the end of the day how we measure the relevance of culture being mapped back to mainstream media or coverage can be counter intuitive. So, it seems unlikely that a New York Times piece is pending, and maybe if Wikipedia doesn’t have criteria otherwise that it might be a lost cause in any case. We will keep releasing artists we care about and hope that it’s enough. I am not pointing any fingers at you, just that you were kind enough to reply. Thank you.

Good luck and take care. 122.58.94.217 (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Mangoe (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling#RfC regarding the album description "claimed to be" has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 66.30.12.132 (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Mangoe (talk) 04:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Would you mind letting me know what part of WP:MUSICBIO that Five Deez fufills? Thank you! — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 23:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC) (please use {{reply to|Mcguy15}} on reply; thanks!)[reply]

@Mcguy15: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] Chubbles (talk) 23:19, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I was under the impression that notability is not inherited (all of the sources are about the artist's work, but not the artist), but I'm not sure if it applies to artists so I'll just leave it. — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 02:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcguy15: Coverage of an artist's work is coverage of that artist. There's no encyclopedic logic to having articles about albums or songs that pass WP:GNG without having an article about the corresponding artist; we would be the only encyclopedia functioning in that way if we did. Chubbles (talk) 10:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice rescue job on Blue Sky Riders. Thanks. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:32, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly where does it say that you can't renominate something if the last AFD closed as "no consensus"? It was two years ago. I'm looking for consensus. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Shirt58 (talk) 09:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Per WP:BOLD, I moved Victor Sanz back into article space. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did somebody G4 this page after the first AfD? You had improved it afterwards, and that shouldn't have happened. Regardless, he certainly meets WP:MUSIC now. Thanks. Chubbles (talk) 05:47, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Increase in the buffoon population. Veddernarian (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Chubbles,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Bill Blue for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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Jamiebuba (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop following me around to revert everything that does not fit into your opinion. Admins tend to frown upon that. The Banner talk 16:40, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chubbles, I removed the orgin of an artist from the lead sentence as is the case with most if not all well written bios. If the person's origins has something to do with notability then it can be included. This goes for ethnicity as well. I have seen alot of rappers need this addressed, but please look at well written bios of rappers and see this is the case. Thank you, Malerooster (talk) 18:33, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm intimately familiar with WP:ETHNICITY, and would agree with you if this were an issue relating to ethnicity or race, but that's a different matter than place/region. Because of the size of the country and the regional diversity of American musical cultures, it's quite common on musical artist pages for the first sentence of the lede to be structured, "Joe Sixpack is an American musician from City, State", or "The Sixpack Band is an American musical group from City, State". In any case, when sourced, it's certainly not something we would want removed, as it is clearly encyclopedic. Chubbles (talk) 02:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for notifying me of this discussion; I will be participating in it. Chubbles (talk) 22:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, I was struggling to find any sources to updates The Drift (band) so I did a lil PROD. I'm still rather new to the deletion process, so please let me know if I'm missing something. Thanks for all your work on the 'pedia and please let me know if I'm messing anything up! Crunchydillpickle (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage you to be quite sure that something merits deletion before tagging it for deletion. There are alternatives to deletion. Thank you. Chubbles (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article Angst (band) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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(the delta rhythm boys)

you removed ( Floyd Marmon ) who grew up with these boys and wrote the song. He was left behind after he died the end of 1933.

it kinda pissed me off you did that because you know nothing about my uncle who wrote (Gimme Some Skin) you are just like the rest who disregarded him. He wrote that song and never got any credit because he died young before the group went off.

floyd h Marmon is the father of Florez Kathy Sledge who is the mother of sister sledge.

Floyd Henry Marmon never got any credit for his song he wrote before he died August 2 1933 2600:6C42:6A3F:65F7:BD0D:9106:EB26:DCB2 (talk) 19:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We can happily accept adjustments to the article if they are supported by reliable sources. If this story hasn't been told by a book or magazine or other journalistic outlet, that may be the first place you want to take your family knowledge. Chubbles (talk) 04:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Chubbles: Share your thoughts regarding the album if you wish to. 2001:D08:2901:372C:176E:668A:26DB:24BF (talk) 18:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you solve the three links to disambiguation pages in Excelsior Recordings? The Banner talk 12:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The article Steve Ellington has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

non notable person

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Hello Chubbles, maybe you're right to undo my revision, following the regulations. Aside from these, there is always a small space where personal opinion comes into play, and I question your standards: Yes, they are "contentious claims" - that's why they're filed under "criticism", and not "history". And what exactly is so "poorly sourced" when 4 bands independently express the same bad experience with this label? And about 50 more bands take part in a public discussion - and also express the same bad experiences here? Many bands have been ripped off by this label, and these unknown bands have no lobby, their only means are their social media channels - an entry on Wikipedia would have helped to prevent other bands from having the same bad experience... Giving no voice to the bands betrayed does nothing but help to ensure nothing changes in these fraudulent business practices. 2003:D5:FF4C:2500:7C66:F2A4:222E:2F3C (talk) 10:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of the sort you added to the article needs to come from an independent reliable source - that is, it needs to be from a third-party publication (not directly involved in the matter, as all of these bands are) that has editorial oversight of its articles. Otherwise, Wikipedia is opening itself up to possible legal action by taking a side based on hearsay, in a way that could negatively impact someone's business. Chubbles (talk) 13:02, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Since you removed my proposal to delete Prophet Entertainment, can you merge it with Three 6 Mafia or Hypnotize Minds. JuanBoss105 (talk) 22:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All memberships of the NARAS Grammys are required to prove to a panel of piers in official capacity whether their recorded products meet certain standards plus at this time 12 releases required to even apply. To be a VOTING member of the Grammy awards is also an honor to judge recorded releases by artists in a two tiered process. Unlike other popularity public votes for non tv broadcast national awards, the Grammy voting members are given a document noting the years of their service. The editors of Wikipedia are often unable to know the hard work of achievements to reach the highest USA music recording industry Grammy, Oscar or Emmys given to the best in the entertainment business. The editors like Gabby who decide some of the artists on Wikipedia.org pages must have their Grammy voting category or other proven accomplishments removed must reassess their deeds asap. This decision for Wikipedia.org reputations declines when facts are posted then edited out maliciously before the business is harmed as they harm their own reputations, don’t you think? 2600:8801:8606:350:8BF:8902:CC92:BDAB (talk) 19:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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