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I have lots of information that I can add to an article about causes of the Lutheran Reformation. This information gives reasons the Protestants disagreed with the Roman Catholic Church. However, it may appear to be from a biased point of view, but I don't believe it is. It is designed to be from the POV of a Protestant Reformer, giving their reasons for disagreeing with the Roman Catholic Church doctrines. I tried doing this edit already, and a "patroler" decided to rever it and recommend I discuss it in the discussion section. What do you think? Is it ok to have some biased information if it is necessary to give a point and educate why the Protestans wanted reform? Contact me here or on my talk page. Thanks Kosmkrmr 01:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In an honest assessment, this is a pretty terrible article. I'd like to propose a re-organization and I'll leave it open for feedback. There seems to be a few basic 'eras' (or movements) of Lutheran history:

• Pre-History, The Context of the Reformation
• Martin Luther and the Birth of Lutheranism (1517 - 1530)
• Confessing The Faith (1530-1546), approx. from the Diet of Augsburg to the Peace of Augsburg
• Orthodoxy (1550 - 1700?): Creation of the Book of Concord - End of Thirty Years' War/Influence of Spener
• Pietism (1700 - 1800?): Spener, influence on the Enlightenment
• Unionism and Division (1800s): Rise of the Prussian/German state, emigration of Saxon Lutheran group (Walther & Co.), Immigration from Northern Europe.
• Lutheranism In An Age of Conflict (1910-1950): Lutheranism split between warring factions, persecution of Lutherans in America during WWI, adoption of English among Lutherans in America, rise of German Christianity, the Confessing Church, the aftermath of WWII and the split between East and West.
• Lutheranism in the Post-Modern Era (1950 - ): Lutheranism during the Cold War, the "de-Christianization" of Europe, the change in church/state relations, mergers and divisions in American Lutheranism (e.g. the ALC, LCA, cooperation and splits between ALC, LC-MS,WELS, Seminex, the creation of the ELCA, the formation of the LWF, a re-united Germany, etc.)

What does everyone think? Cothomps (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have a great idea. Of course, most of what's happened in Lutheranism happened before WWI, so I think the majority of the material should be earlier rather than recent. Since only 20-30 people open this article every day, ( http://wikirank.com/en/History_of_Lutheranism ), compared to 600-900 people for the Lutheranism article, ( http://wikirank.com/en/Lutheranism ) I think it is more important that we get a history section written for it first. When it gets long enough, we can copy and paste it back to this article, and reduce the History section on the Lutheranism article to a paragraph with a "main article" section leading this this one--like they did with the Calvinism article. Make sure to cite what you write from credible sources.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a great idea. I'll help with the Lutheranism article. (Let me find my sources though...) Cothomps (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW - great work! Cothomps (talk) 14:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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