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The two "States of primary affiliation" tables contain different states for Presidents:

• Ulysses S. Grant (Ohio vs. Illinois)
• Herbert Hoover (Iowa vs. California)

Judging from their titles, they should contain the same information. Which states are correct? The accompanying image corresponds with neither table. 108.216.90.12 (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like this has been fixed (Grant = Ohio, Hoover = California, images matches both). Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grant is listed in the "Presidents who did not reside in their birth state" table; his birth state was Ohio, and his home state is listed as Illinois. According to his memoirs, his home prior to the presidency was Galena, Illinois. Further, the primary affiliation graphic shows 3 Illinois presidents (Grant, Lincoln, Obama) and 6 Ohio presidents (Harrison, Hayes, Garfield, McKinley, Taft, Harding). So the table for "States of primary affiliation" should reflect Illinois, not Ohio, unless a citation can be provided showing he was elected with Ohio as his home state. And if that is changed, the other table and the graphic should be updated as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:B:9800:625:DAA2:5EFF:FE96:67F (talk) 01:44, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Grant's home state (as opposed to his birth state) should be listed Illinois. It is confirmed as such by both the House and Senate journals, as preserved by the Library of Congress. I've added a citation to support this, so hopefully further edits are not necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethelred unraed (talk • contribs) 20:56, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

LOOK AT EISENHOWER!!!!!

Eisenhower says New York but here it says Kansas? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.81.111 (talk) 00:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grant was born in Ohio and considered his home state to be Illinois. (Missouri could make a plausible case for claiming him as well, but he considered Galena, Illinois, to be his home town during the Civil War and his presidency.) In this edit, a user correctly changed his birthplace to Ohio, but erred in making it his home state. I've edited this accordingly. Q·L·1968 ☿ 23:06, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Scribatorian: Okay, is 'primary affiliation' in the sense of this list supposed to mean something other than the state the president belonged to while they were president, and if so, why would anyone care about that other thing? There are actual constitutional implications to this insofar as the president and vice president can't come from the same state and have that state's electoral college votes count. That refers to the state of which the president is a citizen, not where they were born or anything else. It makes no difference how long a person lived in the state, but Grant hadn't lived in Ohio for ages when he became president. Missouri yes, Washington Territory yes, also "in the field" while he was campaigning and in Washington DC for other official duties. But he was a constituent of Elihu Washburne's district in Illinois throughout the war years and until he became president. Q·L·1968 ☿ 15:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On Thomas Jefferson's tombstone it says that his

The flag for Georgia is showing the flag of the country of Georgia and not the US State. However, it uses some flag macro to reference it so I'm not sure how to correct it.Eye of slink (talk) 03:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Figured it out, fixed. Eye of slink (talk) 03:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is there are reason we have multiple tables rather than a single table with multiple columns? If no one minds, I'll combine the information in "States of primary affiliation by president" and "Communities where presidents were born". I think that will clear up a lot of the confusion between primary affiliation and birth state. Hoof Hearted (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article begins with the birth states with primary errors and raises doubt thereafter. Virginia is the birthplace of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Tyler, Taylor, (W) Harrison, and Wilson. Research Historian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.5.175.252 (talk) 15:31, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

‎I have removed "Presidents by state of primary affiliation" list, as it's redundant given that there's a "States of primary affiliation by president" list, and the "British subjects" list, which is just trivial. They constitute excessive statistics, per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I have also moved a table. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 22:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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No President is listed for CT, despite in other lists it showing one was born there. I believe it was GHWBush. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoltonDani (talk • contribs) 01:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

George H W Bush's birth-state is identified as Connecticut. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 02:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first table shows John Q Adams born in Braintree, MA, while the birthplace table below it shows him as born in Quincy, MA. First I thought that may be an accidental trransposition of the birthplace of John Adams to John Q Adams, but it turns out to be a bit more complicated. They were both born at a location that was in Braintree at their times of birth (1735 and 1767), which later (1792) became Quincy. Perhaps all these birthplace references should be the same: "Quincy (then Braintree)" or "Braintree (now Quincy)"? Encyclopaedia Britannica: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peasmould (talk • contribs) 17:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's now been reported that Donald Trump has now declared himself a resident of Florida rather than New York, and it looks like somebody has updated this table to reflect this notion. However, I'm not sure that this update is really correct and want to discuss this a bit. He had primarily been associated with New York prior to the election, during the campaign, and throughout the first several years of his presidency. Does declaring a new residency trump his past history for the purpose of this table? He is also now listed twice in the table, but I'm not convinced that that makes sense considering that this is a table of "primary affiliation" rather than "all affiliations". Ovenel (talk) 15:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because this article is about "primary affiliation." Trump has been a lifelong resident of New York City (Queens and Manhattan) since birth. Changing his primary residence prior to the 2020 election because New York lawmakers "hurt his feelings" as he put it via Twitter shouldn't be a reason to change his primary affiliation from New York to Florida. User:Scribatorian

What should be Hoover's home state? He was born in Iowa, but by all accounts he never lived there after his childhood, and he seemed to have lived in California the longest.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:149E:37F4:B860:55B5 (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to say California is the state of primary affiliation. The NPS site for his birthplace says "Herbert Hoover left West Branch never to live here again" and Lou Henry Hoover House says it was in CA where he had his only permanent residence. 1928 United States presidential election lists CA as his home state as well. Reywas92^Talk 00:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hoover's only affiliation with California is his attendance at Stanford University! He lived in Australia, China, and Europe until the 1910s. His primary residence in the 1920s was in California, BUT as the U.S. Secretary of Commerce he spent most of his time in Washington, DC. After his presidency, Hoover lived in New York City until his death. California is NOT really mentioned in most biographies (book or website sources) but rather Iowa as his home state. In addition, his presidential library is in Iowa. User:Scribatorian

"His primary residence in the 1920s was in California" So solved! It was not just "attendance at Stanford" that he lived there but decades later, not only intermittently pre-presidency, but also a decade post-presidency ("Hoover was the sole living ex-president from 1933 to 1953. Hoover and his wife lived in Palo Alto until her death in 1944"). But okay, let's list Washington DC too then, but it's not Iowa. Moving away from the state as a small child does not make it his primary affiliation. The section clearly says "due to residence, professional career, and electoral history. This is not necessarily the state in which the president was born." Herbert Hoover Presidential Library and Museum says it was friends who built it and it was then a convenient place to store his papers, not that it's the primary place of residence, having lived in CA more than twice as long as IA and as an actual adult. Reywas92^Talk 06:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another source that should make this obvious. Arthur, Cleveland, and Wilson also have their libraries away from their primary affiliation. Reywas92^Talk 06:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What about Taylor's primary affiliation with Kentucky? He only spent his childhood there and was a resident of Louisiana at the time of the 1848 election. Eisenhower always considered Abilene, Kansas to be his hometown as he grew up there but was a resident of New York City and Gettysburg after World War II as he was president of Columbia University. User:Scribatorian

Would Oregon be considered his home state since he grew up there? User:Scribatorian

It shouldn't matter where a president lived in his post-presidency years. Trump will leave office whether 2021 or 2025 as a resident of Palm Beach so are we going to change this lifelong and native New Yorker to a Floridian? Cleveland retired to Princeton, N.J. after his second term but is more closely associated with New York since he grew up there and was the Mayor of Buffalo and the state's governor. User:Scribatorian

If you want to discuss Eisenhower and Taylor, we can do that separately and a change may be appropriate. It may also be appropriate to list multiple states for some of them. Eisenhower spent his entire youth (though high school) as well as some of his military career in Kansas so this is a poor comparison. Iowa is NOT Hoover's state of primary affiliation. I would support a clarification in this section that it refers to where the president lived prior to the presidency. Reywas92^Talk 19:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On Thomas Jefferson's tombstone (https://charlottesville.guide/jeffersons-tombstone/) it says "Born April 2, 1743 O.S., Died July 4, 1826." That's because Great Britain didn't adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1752. (And Wednesday, 2 September 1752 was followed by Thursday 14 September 1752). So it appears that the dates on this table are all in Gregorian format, and not in Julian. This should be indicated in the table. I have done so for Jefferson, but I do not know if the others are in Gregorian or Julian format.Simsong (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The list currently defines a state of primary affiliation as "the state with which each was primarily affiliated, due to residence, professional career, and electoral history". This is squishy. As the many disputes above make clear, people's residence and professional career and electoral history take them to many places, not necessarily in the same state. What is the secret sauce by which Wikipedia decides what state comes out as the winner? What criteria are we using? I know it when I see it is not a defensible criterion, because people see things differently. Wikipedia requires verifiability; is there a verifiable standard for 'primary affiliation'? Q·L·1968 ☿ 18:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@QuartierLatin1968: Unless an individual lived in a particular state their entire lifetime it is very challenging to pinpoint an exact location especially if they moved/relocated multiple times. Case in point, if Sam Houston hypothetically were elected President, would it make sense to list him under both Texas and Tennessee (but born in Virginia)? Furthermore, where any person is "from" is subjective. What do you consider where an individual is "from"? Is is where he/she was born and/or raised, lived the longest in a particular place (i.e. city, state, country...), or in the case of elected political officials is it only reserved to the city/state they represented? For example, Robert F. Kennedy briefly represented N.Y. in the U.S. Senate before his assassination in 1968, but was long associated with the state of Massachusetts because of his legal residence and Boston accent.[2] During a speech at the University of Georgia in 1962 as AG, he expressed "Massachusetts as his home state." --Bergeronpp (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bergeronpp: I agree with all of those points. That's why this "primary affiliation" business seems so squishy to me. The way I see it, where the rubber meets the road is the Constitution. The Electoral College votes from a state don't count if the presidential and vice presidential candidates are both from that state. That's why it's important when Congress declares "so-and-so of Illinois" elected President and "so-and-so of Indiana" elected Vice President (to highlight the case of Grant and Colfax). If we adopted the standard of whatever a president's home state was at the time they were president (as certified by Congress at their election), that would clear the air for the edge cases where there can be a dispute. Q·L·1968 ☿ 00:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@QuartierLatin1968: True, but I absolutely can't see Eisenhower, for example, listed under New York because he was technically a legal resident of Pennsylvania in the 1956 election as well. Ike spent his entire childhood (through high school) and a portion of his military career in Kansas according to his library. In addition, his statue inside the U.S. Capitol Building spells out "KANSAS" since that state gave Capitol Hill the statue in 2003 (thus associating him with the state).[3] Though Reagan was born and raised in Illinois, his Capitol Hill statue spells out "CALIFORNIA" b/c he spent a large portion of his adulthood as well as his early political career in California as governor ~ 1967−1975. I agree with the entire list as it stands as I'm writing this post, but not sure about Herbert Hoover b/c he lived in several places in his early life (perhaps California?). --Bergeronpp (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bergeronpp: I'm happy with the list as it stands as well, except that Zachary Taylor was a Louisianian by the time of his presidency... I do think that we ought to have a section of explanatory notes for these more complicated cases, each with footnotes. Q·L·1968 ☿ 02:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just spotted this commented-out text: "THOUGH GRANT WAS A CITIZEN OF ILLINOIS DURING HIS PRESIDENCY, HE ONLY RESIDED THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AND SPENT MOST OF PRE-PRESIDENCY YEARS IN OHIO. DO NOT CHANGE." The statement that he "SPENT MOST OF PRE-PRESIDENCY YEARS IN OHIO" is not true. Grant left Ohio in 1839, when he was 17 (I'll cite Jean Edward Smith's Grant (2001), ISBN 978-0-684-84926-3 for verifiability's sake: p. 23). He went to West Point, where he no doubt was considered an Ohioan until he joined the regular army, but Ohio was never his home thereafter. From 1843 to 1854, he was a career army officer without (arguably) a truly permanent home. He was posted to St Louis from 1843-44 (p. 29), Louisana and then Mexico during the war (pp. 33, 73), then St Louis again in 1848 before being posted to Sackets Harbor NY from 1848-49 (pp. 74-75), Detroit from 1849-51 (pp. 75-76), and Sackets Harbor again from 1851-52 (p. 80), before being posted out to Fort Vancouver from 1852-54 (first in Oregon Territory, then in Washington Territory, pp. 80 and 85) and finally Fort Humboldt in California in 1854, at which point he left the army (pp. 84-86). During this period, St Louis was the closest thing Grant had to a permanent home; it's where his wife lived while Grant was on the west coast. Back in civilian life, Grant lived in Missouri again from 1854-1860 (pp. 90, 93, 95) in St Louis County as well as the city of St Louis. He took up residence in Galena in 1860 (pp. 95, 104) and returned there occasionally as his duties permitted. He became president in 1869, officially as a citizen of Illinois, which matters constitutionally because a president's state has to be different from the vice president's state, or they can't receive electoral college votes from that state. In other words, for thirty years (1839-69), all of them years of adulthood, and including the years that made him a national hero, Grant did not live in Ohio. He then became president, returned to Galena, took his world tour, returned to Galena, and finally settled in New York for his final five or six years of life. As a Civil War hero and as President, he was officially an Illinoisan, even though he spent most of that time in DC or in the field. Q·L·1968 ☿ 20:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@QuartierLatin1968: Well if we're talking about time spent in a single location/state wouldn't that be Ohio (17 years) b/c it appears that he only lived in Missouri for roughly 6-7 years and Illinois 8 years or so prior to his first term as POTUS. This is a list of U.S. Presidents and the state most closely identified with them, right? Me and my peers over the years have always considered Grant as a President from Ohio. User:Bergeronpp —Preceding undated comment added 02:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bergeronpp: Well, that's a very good question, and that's why I wanted to ask "What is primary affiliation?" in the section above. Is it a list of "the state most closely identified with" the presidents? If so, how do we define that? Where a person lived the longest is at least an objective criterion, which is good, but it's also (if I may say so) a rather crude one. Grant was born in Ohio and lived there for 17 years, but he was an actual physical resident of the state for precisely none of his adult life. Does that matter? The states that Grant chose to live in, when he did have a choice, were Missouri, Illinois, and New York. Where was he when he made his career and cleared his path to the presidency? Does that matter? Since we're talking about presidents, surely what matters most is what state they belonged to while they were president. Most presidents are politicians, and they built their political career in a particular state, so for them, it's easy. But we ought to have verifiable criteria for edge cases like Grant and Zachary Taylor and maybe Eisenhower and a few others. Q·L·1968 ☿ 17:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hoover is currently listed under Iowa. Is this correct?

No, Hoover: An Extraordinary Life in Extraordinary Times states on p. 514 ~ "Hoover suffered the humiliation of seeing his home state of California...". Another source cited above in a previous discussion reaffirms that his home state was California. Hoover was technically from Iowa, but for the sake of this list according to the definition: "state with which each [U.S. President] was primarily affiliated, due to residence, professional career, and electoral history", it's the Golden State.--Bergeronpp (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Taylor's primary association is with Kentucky. He spent his entire childhood in Louisville, commissioned the Kentuckian 7th Infantry Regiment at Terre aux Boeufs, his children were born and raised there, and is buried in a cemetery in Louisville named after him. According to a timeline from the Library of Congress, Taylor took up residence in Louisiana in 1840 (eight years before becoming president-elect in 1848) while at the same time maintaining slave-holding properties in Kentucky and Mississippi.--Bergeronpp (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2020 (UTC) According to Zachary Taylor: The American Presidents Series: The 12th President, 1849-1850 states on p. 11 ~ "Taylor's home state of Kentucky,..."--Bergeronpp (talk) 20:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all, I have quite the strong opinion on this topic. I feel that only a President's home state(s) during their respective election(s) should be eligible to be considered for the primary state affiliation category. That's because nobody (sans President Ford) gets on this list without being elected. 43/44 have had to been elected in order to get the position, so I feel that's enough of a strong ratio to put emphasis on it.

So for example, since President Taylor was only elected once in 1848, and his home state for that election is listed as Louisiana, that should be the required state for his primary affiliation.

And with regards to President Eisenhower, he was elected in 1952 with his home state being New York, and re-elected in 1956 with his home state being Pennsylvania. So, those should be the only two states eligible for his primary affiliation. AstrosOverrated (talk) 07:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, only President Ford wasn't elected to EITHER the Presidency or Vice Presidency. I'm counting the Vice Presidency as those candidates have an official home state as well. AstrosOverrated (talk) 08:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current format is too convoluted and complicated for the average reader to understand. It doesn't go out of it's way to explain why Hoover is affiliated with Iowa and Eisenhower with Kansas when neither of them ran for president with that state. MyPreferredUsernameWasTaken (talk) 09:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also not a fan of the Historical Sites subsection, they're not even organized in a way I understand, JFK goes after LBJ and Nixon goes after Reagan. MyPreferredUsernameWasTaken (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Historical Sites table appears to list presidents in birth order rather than in order of office (I may add a column listing year born). That table and the Birth places table above it were moved here from a page titled List of Presidents of the United States by date and place of birth. I suggest restoring that article title. The whole home state table issue is too convoluted for what is supposed to be a clear and concise list article. Drdpw (talk) 13:28, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AstrosOverrated:@MyPreferredUsernameWasTaken: As I mentioned in a previous discussion, I can't see Eisenhower, listed under New York or Pennsylvania (which was merely a retirement home). This is a list of the state of primary affiliation based on residence, career, as well as electoral history. Ike spent his entire childhood (through high school) and a portion of his military career in Kansas according to his library (which is located in his hometown of Abilene, KS), thus he lived there longer than any other place. In addition, his statue inside the U.S. Capitol Building spells out "KANSAS" since that state gave Capitol Hill the statue in 2003 (thus associating him with the state).[4]--Bergeronpp (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AstrosOverrated:@MyPreferredUsernameWasTaken: From my previous discussion above, I believe Taylor's primary association is with Kentucky. He spent his entire childhood in Louisville, commissioned the Kentuckian 7th Infantry Regiment at Terre aux Boeufs, his children were born and raised there, and is buried in a cemetery in Louisville named after him. According to a timeline from the Library of Congress, Taylor took up residence in Louisiana in 1840 (eight years before becoming president-elect in 1848) while at the same time maintaining slave-holding properties in Kentucky and Mississippi. Also, according to Zachary Taylor: The American Presidents Series: The 12th President, 1849-1850 states on p. 11 ~ "Taylor's home state of Kentucky,..."--Bergeronpp (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The previous edits on this article by @AstrosOverrated: are making it appear more like a sport page (i.e. years by election winner), which it is NOT, and merely basing the home state of each U.S. President by the electoral college. The definition above the table clearly states: based on residence, professional career, as well as electoral history--Bergeronpp (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All solid points, but I do have a few things to add.

1) Can't we make a distinction between 3 separate categories? I made an edit of adding states by elections won, as that's what I imagined the page looking like when I first found it. 16 states have by an election winner, yet it's near impossible to find that out about Louisiana without going through each election and counting. I think a birthplace category, a state category by elections won, and a primary affiliation category would all be sufficient and quite helpful.

2) I can see people wanting to list Eisenhower under Kansas and Taylor under Kentucky, but that only makes sense if the 3rd category for states and elections won I mentioned is added. "Home State" is usually a phrase heard only around election time. "Candidate A won their home state of" for example. The article title has "Home State" in it, and that is not a disputed term as the election comes and goes, and that's your listed state. That is clear. "Primary affiliation" is much more disputed and not always consistent. So I suggest to at least add the category, change the article title, or make another separate page for it.

3) I do believe the historical sites category is sufficient, although maybe a separate article, differentiating the birthplaces of presidents and the "Home State". AstrosOverrated (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If we could make it clear the president's "Primary State" and "Home State" I think we'd clear a lot of the confusion this article is causing. Like Dwight Eisenhower running from NY and PA but also being affiliated primarily with Kansas for his professional career. Maybe we could accomplish this in a single wikitable. I assume birth state can be left to the first wikitable and the very nicely done geographical map, since a lot of presidents were born in states they never affiliated much with such as Reagan and Illinois, W. Bush and Connecticut, or Obama and Hawaii. MyPreferredUsernameWasTaken (talk) 05:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible wikitable:

President	Primary State	Home State(s)
Dwight D. Eisenhower	Kansas	New York (1952) Pennsylvania (1956)

This might clarify things MPUWT, though I would suggest that we forgo the decorative flags in such a table, as they are more clutter than conveyors of useful information, especially when in bunches. Drdpw (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ~ Where each and every president resided and voted during an election year appears like overkill information for readers. Keep it simple with the state an individual is most associated with based on the definition: residences, professional career, and electoral history, NOT a confusing list. There is already an article (List of residences of presidents of the United States) in which these changes being mentioned in this discussion would be most appropriate. The only time a future president should be mentioned with multiple states would be someone like Sam Houston or Mitt Romney who held state-wide offices for two different states.--Bergeronpp (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I fully support the proposed table above. It's clean and shows the difference between the categories. AstrosOverrated (talk) 04:41, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support At the moment the "primary affiliation" list seems to involve too much original research in determining which one is primary. "Home state" is normally taken to mean the home state at the time of election and in office which is far more than trivia given the Constitutional requirement and also the perceived home state boost in elections. It's also absurd that Trump's new home state is not listed at all. Yes there are some complicated cases with incumbents who changed their registration in office but the official list of home states is far more meaningingful than a list of what some users think a President's home state was. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it will be a lot easier to read and would be more comprehensible if the presidents were listed in order, from 1-46. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claurbschnitzel (talk • contribs) 14:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Map shows how mnay presidents were born in each state. It shows new jersey as having 0 presidents born there. But Grover Cleveland was Icecaprisun (talk) 20:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is a mistake and it should be corrected. Who has the ability to change the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.45.87.134 (talk) 19:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to the edit history, the one who added the map based on birth places is Dizephal, so he's the only one who can change it on mapchart if he downloaded the .txt file of it. Hooded-wanderer (talk) 03:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Jackson's exact birthplace is unknown, since it was on the border between North and South Carolina. The Andrew Jackson article itself says "between North Carolina and South Carolina." Claiming he was definitely born in South Carolina is disingenuous, this article does a great job of explaining the dispute. I believe we should change his birth state to North Carolina or South Carolina since it is unknown. Pithon314 (talk) 20:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]