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I added info to the article on one way she can be banished.LiPollis (talk) 16:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Deer Woman as Told by a Woman

   So I am not comfortable to make changes on the article... but we are going over Paula Gunn Allen's short story "Deer Woman"[1] at my Tribal college. I feel that she is misrepresented here, or perhaps insufficiently represented is a kinder way to put it. The Deer Woman is a legend that does push the culture away from excessive promiscuity and infidelity, but she is not considered to be an evil spirit that wants to steal semen. She is a symbol of feminine power, not a representation of fertility and love (definitely not love as many of the people who break the spiritual rules her and her Uncle, Thunder, lay down soon die).[2].

"to assign this great being the position of 'fertility goddess' is exceedingly demeaning: it trivializes the tribes and it trivializes the power of woman. Woman bears, that is true. She also destroys. That is true. She also wars and hexes and mends and breaks"[3]

Many first nations are matriarchal and did not hold the same view of the female that the colonists brought with them.[4] In fact in the Kurt Russow[5] work that I am using for my own essay and is cited on this article: he quotes Carolyn Dunn

"Deer Woman is one of the Little People... they keep us in line. Although their roles can be sinister, the Little People are spirits whose function in society is to hold otherworldly knowledge, spiritual and secular knowledge handed down generation to generation. Power must be respected, must be obtained and maintained in traditional, healthy ways."[6] 

   That brings up my other thought on this Deer Woman article, the legend of the Little People (which is more well known in my opinion). She is one of them, the little people and more closely related to a fairy than a succubus: although her infamy is equivalent to the latter. Maybe I will eventually try to edit this in myself, it would be my first time... but I would be grateful to anyone who would take on the task. Remember don't go snagging too much ;) LOL
I agree with this in theory—this article misrepresents Deer Woman’s complex nature, and even more so, the comparisons to other belief systems (specifically sirens and sucubi) are especially demeaning. In fact, I think they’d fall under the blanket of original research. The introduction should more finely describe Deer Woman’s role in Native cultures, and unless articles with direct comparisons to other beings in other cultures can be found, that entire section needs to be removed. Hobomok (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Allen, Paula Gunn. "Deer Woman." Grandmothers of the Light: a Medicine Woman's Sourcebook. Boston: Beacon P, 1991.185-194.
  2. ^ Allen, Paula Gunn. "Deer Woman." Grandmothers of the Light: a Medicine Woman's Sourcebook. Boston: Beacon P, 1991.185-194
  3. ^ Allen, Paul Gunn The Sacred Hoop: Recovering the Feminine in American Indian Traditions. Boston: Beacon P, 1986,
  4. ^ Moore, Marijo. “Paul Gunn Allen: A Great Woman of Words.” Femspec, vol. 11, no. 2, Mar. 2011, pp. 121–123. EBSCOhost, search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=hus&AN=527618480&site=ehost-live.
  5. ^ Russow, Kurt. “‘Gazing at Her Cloven Feats:’ Mythic Tradition and ‘The Sacred Way of Women’ in Paula Gunn Allen’s ‘Deer Woman.’” Femspec, vol. 13, no. 2, Sept. 2013, pp. 25–39. EBSCOhost, search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=hus&AN=92884150&site=ehost-live
  6. ^ Dunn, Carolyn."Deer Woman and the Living Myth of the Dreamtime." Endicott lournal of Mythic Arts (2003), Web. 11 June 2009.

The Huldra

The legend of the Deer Woman resembles the Norse mythology of the Huldra, I believe it should be added as a similar reference. 2603:6010:770E:C705:29C8:8ECA:D509:ADB2 (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Black man

The story is about an dad with an only child. The dad was acting normal at day but not at night. One night the daughter was sleeping and the dad was under the bed making creepy noises waking the kid up. She swung her feet off the bed and her dad pulls her under the bed. Legend says that the dad ate her 67.214.119.99 (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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