Battle of Caving Banks

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Black Dog II

• ... that the Native American Osage Battalion (Captain Black Dog II pictured) was one of the last Confederate units to surrender during the American Civil War? "this was the last formal surrender of any significant body of Confederate troops" from: Gordon, Alice; Dunn, Jerry Camarillo; White, Mel (1990). Texas and the Arkansas River valley. Stewart, Tabori & Chang. p. 375. ISBN 978-1-55670-124-5.
  • ALT1:... that the men of the Native American Osage Battalion (Captain Black Dog II pictured) were reluctant to wear Confederate uniform? "They received their uniforms and equipment with some reluctance" from: Stephenson, Wendell Holmes (1947). The Journal of Southern History. Southern Historical Association. p. 170.
  • ALT2:... that although they promised to furnish 500 recruits to form a Confederate battalion the Osage tribe could only raise 200? "After signing the treaty, the Great Osage chiefs returned to their reserve in Kansas and enrolled the promised “500 Osages” for Confederate military service." from: Cheatham, Gary L. (2003). ""Within the limits of the Southern Confederacy": the C.S.A.'s interest in the Quapaw, Osage, and Cherokee tribal lands of Kansas". Kansas history. 26 (3): 178. and "the Confederate battalion was able to recruit only 200 men versus the promised 500" from Corden, Seth K.; Richards, William B. (1912). The Oklahoma Red Book. p. 245.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oleg Grigoriyevich Kononenko

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 05:35, 29 July 2020 (UTC).[reply]

• New enough, long enough, well written and referenced article (AGF on offline sources) on an interesting topic. Hooks are interesting, cited, and the image is suitable, in the article, and appropriately licensed. Personally I have a clear preference for ALT0. QPQ done. Only one nitpick: could you please link "Confederate" and "American Civil War" in the hooks? The average Wikipedia visitor may not necessarily know of them. Constantine ✍ 19:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Constantine, thanks for your review. I've linked the terms you suggest - Dumelow (talk) 05:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Great, then good to go, AGFing some offline sources. Constantine ✍ 16:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Osage Battalion/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 22:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will review soon. I'm actually in the middle of trying to get a good topic out of Price's Raid, and Byram's Ford is my current project. Hog Farm _Talk 22:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Probably the last thing you want to hear, but I have two significant concerns about this article.

The first is the stuff cited to Fritts. The Fritts source appears to be self-published, and its either talking about something completely different or is just frankly wrong. I was able to bring up the applicable snippet view, and I think it may be referring to a Kansas militia unit of some sort. Harveyville and Wilmington are far enough north in Kansas that there was enough Union control that the Confederates wouldn't have been able to muster or drill troops in the area. Second, the unit wouldn't have been able to fight at Cabin Creek on October 19 and then be 220 miles away on October 22/23 to fight at Byram's Ford; the units with Watie in the Indian Territory weren't at Byram's Ford. I really think Fritts is either wrong or referring to a Kansas Militia unit.

I'm also a little concerned with the support for They also participated in Price's Missouri Expedition in late 1864, forming part of the rearguard - I'm not getting the right snippet view for the Andreas 1976 source to check that, but the Stephenson 1947 source is citing the whole journal bit for this article by E. E. Dale, which I can access fully. The bit in there about the Osage battalion forming the rear guard of an expedition is actually referring to 1862 events. What does the Andreas 1976 source say?

The rest of the article, beyond those two bits, looks pretty solid. I think once we get these two concerns sorted out, this should not require much to pass. Hog Farm _Talk 00:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hog Farm, thanks for starting this review. I had hoped you'd pick it up, seeing as it's outside my usual area (I can't even remember how I came across the subject!). I think I must have added Fritts when I was desperate for any sources on this unit. I should have removed it long ago and certainly before bringing it here; I've taken it out. I've also removed Andreas, I couldn't get the right snippet from Andreas either now, but looking closer into Stephenson, what I thought referred to an Osage battalion of Price's expedition was actually a reference to a Union unit of the same name that took part in the Indian Expedition of 1862 (presumably an ad-hoc unit or possibly part of the Indian Home Guard), now removed - Dumelow (talk) 06:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With that out of the way, here are the minor points.

• I recommend avoiding the use of season names per MOS:SEASONS.
• "Other issues included the Union's occupation of much of the Osage reserve throughout the war, and the high level of support for the Union among the Osage people, A number of Osage formed a Union "Osage Battalion" that took part in Colonel William Weer's Indian Expedition of 1862" - Looks like the comma after "people" should be a period

That's about it for the prose/content. Good work here. Hog Farm _Talk 22:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hog Farm, I've added the full stop and swapped out the seasons - Dumelow (talk) 06:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good work on an interesting subject; promoting. Hog Farm _Talk 02:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]