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I will improve this draft and then re-submit.

The mayor has now received even INTERNATIONAL coverage:

• Daily Mail (a large British publication) just covered her in this article and this article

She has also received coverage in national publications:

• Daily Caller: in this article
• Fox News: in this article, this article, and this article
• The Sun (United Kingdom)'s U.S. edition: in this article and this article

As well as local publications in other major cities

• New York Post: in this story
• Atlanta Black Star: in this article

Her controversies are receiving wide coverage, and have become a major item of local interest across Chicago-area news sources. Outside of the Chicago area, it appears she has become a lightning rod/item of major interest to right-wing publications. Many of the right wing outlets are not regarded as reliable sources for use as sources on Wikipedia, but the amount of attention she is receiving from these (mostly right-leaning) non-local publications DOES indicate that she has already attained broad notoriety.

More esteemed sources such as the Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun-Times are more ideal, as well as local news stations such as WGN, WBBN, WLS, etc. are the best sources to use in the article itself. SecretName101 (talk) 08:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, 2021 coverage by The Daily Wire (a national right-wing news source) of one of her early mayoral controversies: https://www.dailywire.com/news/dem-mayor-hires-convicted-sex-offender-who-raped-teenage-girls-to-inspect-homes-residents-ill-be-terrified SecretName101 (talk) 00:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also this story that was sent by the national desk to numerous ABC News local affiliates. [1] SecretName101 (talk) 17:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Daily Wire and Fox News are not reliable, per WP:RSP. So are a couple of the other sources, like the Daily Mail. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know this. And none of those sites are being used to source info. They are being pointed to to demonstrate that she has become an item of interest far outside of just Dolton or Cook County SecretName101 (talk) 05:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deprecated sources are not acceptable, especially on a BLP, except in remarkable circumstances. Using them as evidence for your own WP:OR is right out - David Gerard (talk) 22:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citing an international article on the subject to demonstrate that international articles exist is not WP:OR.

It would be if I described it as "widespread international coverage" or "broad international coverage", etc. because that would not be verifiable by looking at those sources themselves.

However, the sources themselves do directly verify that international coverage (with no superlatives) exists, hence why you are misusing the term "original research" here. SecretName101 (talk) 05:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find anything of note that is on the more positive (or even neutral) end, adding it would be appreciated.

Due to the fact that Henyard's notability is primarily derived from the public interest in the extensive (almost comically-extensive) array of allegations of corrupt activities, her article will have an unflattering bend. It's just the way things are: if someone's notability is from seedy activities (or allegations of seedy activities), then their article will naturally come across as unflattering.

That said, we should make an effort not to omit positive or neutral aspects of her biography that we know of and can find reliable sources for.

Obviously, we should not (in an overreaching effort to provide a less-unflattering article in the name of "balance") insert UN-NOTEWORTHY coverage (such as, "the mayor cut the ribbon on a new water fountain at the park on January 4, 2022").

I can think of a fairly good example of a politician that I previously worked on an article for who had a lot of un-flattering aspects to note of their career, but for whom a respectably balanced article was written noting some neutral and some perhaps flattering information of note. Incidentally, it's William Shaw (Illinois politician), who Henyard ran against in her 2021 mayoral primary. So that'd be good to look at. But his career was longer than Henyard's mayoralty has been, so there's probably less to work with for her. SecretName101 (talk) 22:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No significant press coverage lol she’s all over and being probed by the FBI. Wikipedia is kind of a joke here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.213.62.206 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may interest only a particular audience. Specifically, most details are from local news coverage, which may be of less encyclopedic significance"

I saw you left this tag @RunningTiger123

I think this is an incorrect presumption.

Broad coverage of this subject in publications serving the Chicago region (including the nation’s seventh-most circulated newspaper: The Chicago Tribune) should indicate that she and her scandals are a significant subject of interest. That and the fact that her article has received more than 4,000 views each of the past three days (it was published roughly three and a half days ago).

Local news coverage is the usual type of sources that most mayoral articles rely on, so an reliance on local/regional sources is not inherently problematic. In fact, the reality that Henyard is a routine topic of Chicagland-wide news is actually an indicator of the opposite:only if a story was of strong public interest would the mayor of a town of 20,000 be a routine nightly news topic on news sources that serve the entire 9.5 million residents of the Chicago metropolitan area.

It is well demonstrated that this is a subject of broad interest, just look at the daily views of this article. Yesterday this article received 4,783 views. The U.S. Speaker of the House (Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician) received only 4,091. Clarence Thomas, the most heavily-scrutinized U.S. supreme court Justice at the moment, received only 2,356 views. That alone should illustrate that this subject is indeed an item of broad interest, and that coverage of her is not inherently excessive.

As I mentioned, commonly mayoral articles on Wilipedia are primarily based on local news sources. Out-of-state news sources rarely exist for mayors.

For example:

• Vast number of cites on Lori Lightfoot, Mayoralty of Michelle Wu, London Breed, Mike Duggan Bruce Harrell, Eric Johnson (Texas politician), Cherelle Parker, Muriel Bowser and many other mayor articles are from publications within their metro areas
• Mayoralty of Pete Buttigieg heavily relies on local sources. Cites the South Bend Tribune 80-something times, I believe. Many other cites are also local/regional sources include Howey Politics Indiana, South Bend Voice, WNDU-TV, WSBT, Indiana Business, WBND-LD, etc.
• Roughly half of the cites on Mayoralty of Rudy Giuliani are articles from The New York Times. Some other cites are also local publications. And this is the highest-profile modern mayor of the most populous city in the nation.
• Nearly every last one of the cites at Mayoralty of Bernie Sanders are local publications

SecretName101 (talk) 05:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's excessive, I'll argue, is the extent and array of misconduct on Henyard's alleged part.

Not the coverage provided in the article. SecretName101 (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me elaborate, since I couldn't write much in the tag. I am not saying this topic is not notable and should be excluded; I'm saying that the way in which the topic is covered is inappropriate. Local news sources are perfectly fine to cite, but since there are more local sources, any stories covered in them are going to be considered less significant, and fewer details from those stories should be considered relevant. Therefore, it is WP:UNDUE to cover the scandal in such detail. In other words, a reader going through this article might assume based on the level of detail that it has received extensive national coverage, but it hasn't. (WP:BLPBALANCE might also be relevant, but I won't dive into that since I'm not an expert on BLPs.)

To address some of your other points:

• I agree that the Chicago Tribune in particular is a source with national relevance, but the paper isn't covering it as a national story, it's covering it as a local story.
• Page views are not the best way to determine relevance on Wikipedia and how much we should cover. For instance, memes about Dune: Part Two are pretty popular right now, but that does not mean a huge article for Dune: Part Two memes should exist.
• You point to several other articles that similarly use extensive local coverage; I'll note that (a) some of those articles probably go into too much detail themselves (I particularly think articles for Buttigieg's and Sanders's mayoralties are excessive), and (b) there's a difference between using a lot of local sources and using exclusively local sources. For (b), consider that the only national coverage here seems to be reference 24, "Examples illustrating coverage by national and foreign news outlets", and that is only used to cite the statement that it has received national coverage, not the actual details of Henyard's actions. Compare this with other mayors you mentioned – Lightfoot, Wu, Breed, etc. – where national sources are incorporated throughout the articles.

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 16:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]