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The problem is: You can't take most of the things on the Japanese sites serious as they usually involve many cases of Engrish (I wouldn't call The World of New "Zelda" correct either...), where the online staff just takes the next best romanization instead of actually thinking about where the game designers got their inspiration from/what they wanted to allude to (in this case termination). The Fire Temple is also named "Temple of fire" on the Japanese OoT site, yet they have the "Forest Temple" unchanged, while making the "Deku Tree" a "Deku-tree" and omitting the "lord" title from Jabu-Jabu's name (although the kanji-suffix for "lord" is there). Bottom line: They don't know crap about romanization. Prime Blue (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a point?--141.84.69.20 (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Blue, but it's not our responsibility to make such conclusions. It's original research. It's the company's fault for using inaccurate information, because we have to take their word for it.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is, as of fact checking and using reliable sources. I get your point, that's not the problem (unless you actually think Talmina is the original Japanese form). It's just that I don't feel comfortable about adding wrong information to an article because one of Nintendo's employees made a mistake. Thinking of another example... Using Aida Wong (flash version) or Eda Won (PDF version) as romanized version of Ada Wong's (エイダ・ウォン) Japanese name because it was used in the official translation of Wesker's Report II. I couldn't find exact guidelines when it comes to factually wrong foreign language sources. Prime Blue (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it can safely be removed because it doesn't actually provide any meaningful information to the article. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reading through the article, a lot of it seems to lack a high-quality professional voice. While it surely suffices and is by all accounts factually accurate, some of the tense-choice and verb-usage comes off sounding rather... Odd and, well, not quite FA material.

Just my opinion, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.60.202 (talk) 08:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, this article talks about the necessity of Epona (or lack thereof, depending on the month) in completing Ocarina of Time. I know from personal experience that she is not necessary, but that's beside the point; I'm wondering if it's necessary at all to mention it either way, since it keeps changing periodically and may count as OR. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought Epona was necessary to complete Ocarina, but then again I never tried it without her. But yeah, as this is disputed, I agree it should be altogether removed until someone provides a source stating one way or the other. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 05:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My first playthrough, I used the Longshot. I'll see if a source exists that agrees with me. Until then, I'll yank it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there's nothing significant about this fact unless it's covered by secondary sources anyway; there are loads of things in the game that Link needs to complete it. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have all the bugs from the gamecube version been worked out in the VC version?., if not these should be mentioned for the article. Either way this point should be clarified with a source. Ottawa4ever (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to comments in reply to a review on this page [1], the sound/freezing bug has been fixed. I think it would be wise to use a more reliable source though. GW(talk) 14:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from reading somewhere that the developer's stated that Termina isn't in an alternate universe, and that all of the character models were simply recycled from the first game (I unfortunately cannot remember where I'd read this for the life of me), there are at least three points of evidence supporting this claim:

1) The old mother's stories that Link must stay awake to listen. In one of the stories the old mother tells about the Four Giants and the Skull Kid. (As we all know, the Skull Kid is the same from OoT; within Majora's Mask the Skull Kid recognizes Link and exclaims it twice, once at the very beginning and also at the very end of the game.) In the old mother's story she tells Link that the Skull Kid had been good friends with the Four Giants. When the Skull Kid became mischievous and bothersome to the town's people to the point of action, the Skull Kid is banished from the land of Termina by the Four Giants. This makes it safe to assume that at this point, he's traveled to Hyrule, more specifically the Kokiri Forest (during OoT we encounter him here). Before the very start of Majora's Mask, he's made it back leading to the actual events of the start. (On a side note, the Happy Mask Salesman also travels between lands)

2) The shivering and hungry Goron stuck on top of the frozen waterfall in Mountain Village. When Link smashes the revolving chandelier in Goron Village he discovers what is Rock Sirloin. Taking it to the hungry Goron, the Goron exclaims, "Th-That's it! It's so good that I dream about it... Dodongo Cavern's finest quality rock sirloin!" As one could plainly see, this individual Goron has either been to, or come from Dodongo's Cavern in Hyrule.

3) If Termina is supposed to be an alternate version of Hyrule, the character models are the only evidence supporting this idea. However, in Termina there are no clones for the following characters from Hyrule:

-Saria
-Impa
-Raaru
-Mido
-The other Kokiri children
-Zelda
-The colonial American looking man from the Potion Shop
-Ganondorf
-And of course, Link

Additionally, in Hyrule, there are also no counterparts of Terminians like:

-The man and his daughter from Ikana Valley
-The Beaver Bros.
-The Deku butler
-The Deku King
-The Deku Princess
-Gabora
-Kafei
-Kamaro
-Zubura
-Tingle

I would like someone's feedback, thank you. 72.191.174.31 (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you can show us a source for your claim, then you may have a sufficient case. Without such a source, thought, putting your claim in the article constitutes original research, one the three deadly sins. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, most of my claims are technically in the game itself, in text and story. 216.57.96.1 (talk) 19:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The first time I ever heard that Termina was an alternate version of Hyrule was when I read the game's description on the Wii Shop Channel a few months ago. This description is also available at Nintendo.com and is quoted in part below.

Link must save the world! This time, he finds himself trapped in Termina, an alternate version of Hyrule that is doomed to destruction in just three short days.

I went to add this source to the article and realized it's already sourced using Zelda Universe. I went ahead and added this source to the article anyway. -sesuPRIME 04:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps that was written by someone working for Nintendo who'd never really played the game at all? I'd trust the game itself. 67.10.98.149 (talk) 00:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible. However, I would argue that the Wii Shop Channel counts as an official Nintendo publication. Not only that, this is one of Nintendo's more popular 64 titles. You'd think that if the game description were saying something innacurate, someone would have picked up on it by now and corrected it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interpretations of the game itself is original research, which is unacceptable for Wikipedia, and it certainly doesn't override the two given reliable sources. -sesuPRIME 05:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How odd, you claim the idea of Termina being a parallel world to Hyrule is original research, yet the Zelda Wiki articles for [Termina] and [Majora's Mask] specifically state that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule. Are you going to call the Zelda Wiki's articles a pack of lies then since they obviously don't support your claims, "sesuPRIME"? (Nice name by the way) 67.166.207.210 (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An open wiki is not a reliable source. Rehevkor ✉ 17:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, going by that logic, Wikipedia would not be a reliable source either, so I guess I won't be reading its articles after this as they're not reliable. Good fight, dear sir. 67.166.207.210 (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not. Good bye. Rehevkor ✉ 17:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How do we know Nobuyuki Hiyama is the voice of Link's Zora form? He is listed in the game's credits, but that's because he voiced Fierce Deity Link (that much is obvious). It actually sounds to me like they used snippets of young Link's voice and applied a distortion effect to get the Zora voice, like they did with his Deku form. However, it's original research to claim that either actor is Zora Link without a reliable source, which are very difficult to find for this. The only sources corroborating the article's claim are notoriously unreliable user-contributed sites like IMDb, and who's to say they didn't just copy whatever Wikipedia said? Interestingly, the Japanese Wikipedia claims he only voiced the Fierce Deity (aka demon) form (here and here). Of course, that can't be used as a source, but one can assume they have access to better information on the subject than we do.

I've added a {{fact}} tag for now, but should that bit of info just be removed? sesuprime 16:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quoted directly from the article:

"He tells Link that Majora's Mask has an evil, apocalyptic power inside that was once used by an ancient tribe in hexing rituals. The ancient ones, fearing catastrophe caused by its great power, 'sealed the Mask in shadow forever' to prevent its misuse. This tribe vanished and the origin and nature of the Mask was lost."

This has me convinced of an idea that I had posted here previously - The tribe that possessed Majora's Mask was The Dark Interlopers, who eventually became the Twili. In addition to my hypothesis, I site the above quote and the fact that the tribe sealed their power within it, that Majora's Mask was in fact a Fused Shadow.

I posted this earlier and somehow it got deleted. Could the editors plz not remove it again? I know it's totally irrelevant but I really would like to hear other people's thoughts on this. If you do, I understand, and will simply post it elsewhere...

75.72.159.75 (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.159.75 (talk)

I'm glad you understand, but for the sake of those who don't, let me explain. Wikipedia talk pages are intended for discussion of ways to improve the article, not general discussion about the subject of the article. Whether Majora's Mask is a Fused Shadow is not an appropriate topic here, unless the connection is mentioned by one of our reliable sources.Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks man 75.72.159.75 (talk) 06:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I had been tracking old zelda sites in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, and I found some articles about a campaign Nintendo (I think it was only for America) did to promote Majora's Mask. It was some sort of ARG campaign apparently, with a fake website about a scientific research institution that discovered a parallel dimension. I was not around the zelda fandom at the time, so I missed all about that, but it sounds like it was really interesting and I'm surprised by how little I have found about it. Does anybody knows if it was an official campaign, or was it just a hoax? or something a fan did? z-science original website in the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20010516234329/http://www.z-science.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.250.231.5 (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess that so little has been written about it because, like you, no one had previously heard of it. It might be worth a mention in the development section if it was an official promotion from Nintendo, but I couldn't find where it said that it was from Nintendo. You're sure about that? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the group is aperently called JRAMOA (MAJORA), it involves a doctor Tarin (the name of a character in Link's Awakening) Rugeshi (Shigeru Miyamoto), the so-called Z-day was October 24 (MM's release date), and the site redirects to the Nintendo site. while this information does not prove that it was Nintendo's idea, it does add some credit to the theory.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.63.76 (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The ben drowned thing is certainly notably, shouldn't it be added? 98.24.154.187 (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's a Wired article.. maybe worth a mention? Rehevkor ✉ 21:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A visit to KYM lead me to an additional two articles. I imagine it's probably not too noteworthy in regards to the game itself, but maybe List of Internet phenomena? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 19:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[2] entry on "Pendants of Virtue" states that A Link to the Past has a direct connection to Majora's Mask. I'd like to invoke WP:BOLLOCKS on this, as a connection has not been stated in either game or directly by Nintendo. [3], while a wiki, suggests inconstancies within this site is not uncommon as while it is run by Nintendo, it is not made by them. Either way, while this primary source supports this, no independent sources have supported this. Яehevkor ✉ 02:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Has someone tried to reference this in the article yet? At any rate, I don't think the source claims a connection between LTTP and MM. The entry on Pendants of Virtue does not mention MM or the Pendant of Memories, which may be why you thought it claimed a connection... Axem Titanium (talk) 04:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy late reply here, but the entry references "Termina", the setting of MM, in connection to A Link to the Past. Яehevkor ✉ 10:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see where they make the reference, but since the article itself doesn't make any mention of it, I don't think we need to worry about it. The claim is patently ridiculous, has been contradicted by other official sources, and Zelda.com has a history of fudging up the canon. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've barely skimmed thru the article for its music section, feeling the need to rewrite a line, when I noticed that a couple of statements were hidden in the text, apparently because they have no citation. Yet, they were tagged with {{Citation needed}}.

I wanted to shed some light on this, because if someone had the knowledge to write these statements in the first place, there should also exist a source from which they learned it. But hiding the statements, because they require a citation, is not a constructive contribution to the article.

Seeing this, I suspect there might also be other instances of this behaviour elsewhere in the article. If anyone is up to look further into this, I encourage you to unveil the statements and leave them with the {{Citation needed}} tag, so that other readers and editors might have a chance to cite them in the future. If anything, it might be of help to look thru the editing history of the article, to narrow down the users who added the statements, and try to get in touch with them.

I has unique username (talk) 18:45, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see no problem with this, I imagine the text remained in the article for some time before it was hidden. This is not common practice but it's not unusual, especially in featured articles. It's no different from deleting unsourced and challenged texts entirely, which is also not unusual. Rather than hunting down contributors that probably added the text some years ago, it may be best to just find citations yourself. Яehevkor ✉ 19:02, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was going to say too; it's not really common, but not wrong either. Just a step in between "keeping it in the article with CN tags" and "deleting it outright". And as Rehevkor said, you'd probably be better off looking for a source than the person who wrote it. (For example, you could very well find that a random, user who hasn't edited since 2007 added it, and you're probably not likely to get a response from them...) Sergecross73 msg me 19:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That point of view never crossed my mind. I see the logic now.

I has unique username (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone who has played The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask has noticed its one of the darkest of the series. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, its just that they don't mention that fact. All other Wiki sites, including Zelda Wiki, a large Wiki site committed to The Legend of Zelda. My point is that they should mention it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikminer (talk • contribs) 06:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's kind of vague and subjective. Do you have a reliable source backing it up? Sergecross73 msg me 12:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Actually Pikminer, it does indirectly touch on this commonly perceived aspect of the game in the Reception section, where several critics remarked on the overall atmosphere and tone of Majora's Mask: "oddest, darkest, and saddest of all Zelda games", "surreal and spooky, deep, and intriguing", "The Empire Strikes Back of Nintendo 64...it's the same franchise, but it's more intelligent, darker, and tells a much better storyline", etc. However, while I do think it's probably noteworthy that many fans regard it as an exceptionally unsettling game (myself only slightly included), your mileage may still vary.

Speaking as a long-time fan of the Zelda franchise, I've noticed that people only recently began to embrace Majora's Mask. I think this is due in large part to word-of-mouth. Many who were turned off by the game back when it was first released in 2000 decided to give it another go when it became available on the Wii Virtual Console. From there, its popularity started to rise dramatically — people who had owned the game for a long while on the N64 but never felt as engaged with it as its predecessor decided to dust off their old Majora's Mask cartridges for another playthrough (that was me, in a sense). And then there were the gamers who had sold all of their old console games, opting for emulators; they downloaded Majora's Mask out of curiosity too. They discovered that it was good: tons and tons of side quests, a strong (if somewhat stinted) main quest, some very powerful subplots, and a distinctive atmosphere. People became fascinated with its approach to mature themes and the undertone of dread it creates. Is it often overstated? Like I said, your mileage may vary. One thing's for sure — it did inspire a rather famous creepypasta from 2010.

I think a good chunk of what people describe as "dark" is actually rooted within preconceived notions they had adopted prior to even playing Majora's Mask. Try to understand where I'm coming from when I say this. Yes, Majora's Mask is certainly darker than the rest of the series — I mean frick, how many other games can you name where a creepy-faced moon is crashing into the Earth? But then you have those who describe it as a horror game at every level and consider it to be the single most disturbing work of fiction they have ever experienced, which is patently ridiculous. There's a real hysteria surrounding its tense atmosphere which I find at once intriguing and confusing, and I'll even go so far as to chalk it up to hype. It is widely known as "the dark game", a tale of horror and despair that will stay with you long after you've completed it. Yet the same could be said for many other games: Alundra, for example. Or Final Fantasy VI. But it's Majora's Mask that gets all the attention for its tone. And sure, it might be a bit creepier than most other Zelda games, but not by much.

I'll put it bluntly: if you can handle Ocarina of Time, chances are you can handle Majora's Mask.

Long story short, it may be worth mentioning somewhere in the article that Majora's Mask is seen as a dark title by many gamers, but as per Sergecross73 above, that would need a reliable source. I'm sure plenty exist. Kurtis ^(talk) 10:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why I haven't done this before, but if anyone wants to use the Hyrule Historia as a reference in this article, here's what you'll need to properly cite it...

name of the author(s) - None given, at least not that I could find title of the book in italics - The Legend of Zelda: Hyrule Historia volume when appropriate - N/A, though my copy is 1st edition if that matters city of publication is optional - Milwaukie, OR (English ed.) name of the publisher - Dark Horse (English ed.) year of publication - 2011 (Japanese) 2013 (English) chapter or page number(s) where appropriate - pg 110-112 (for Majora's Mask) ISBN is optional - 978-1-61655-041-7

Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A new section should be added about popular theories about Majora's Mask. For example: "In The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, the five stages of grief have been found in the sections of Termina - Clock Town (The citizens denying their impending doom), Woodfall (The Deku King venting his Anger on the innocent Monkey), Snowhead (Darmani Bargaining Link to revive him, or to heal his sorrows), Great Bay (Lulu's Depression at the loss of her children) and Ikana Valley (The spirits Accepting their deaths)." (Five Stages of Grief). There are also theories about how Link dies at the beginning of the game, and Termina is some sort of Limbo. Here is a video explaining some of these theories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.95.152.138 (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there are reliable sources like those found at WP:VG/S discussing these theories, definitely not. Sergecross73 msg me 01:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, so these theories do not belong here. See WP:SPECULATION for more information. Thanks! Permafrost46 (talk) 03:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i have seen those videosSuperdude122 (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I sure hope someone comes up with a reliable source, because it's an awesome theory. PizzaMan (♨♨) 11:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've just found several reliable sources, see [4], [5] and [6]. There are more, too. Would anyone object if I included this analysis in a subsection of Plot called Interpretation? All properly sourced and worded, of course. Featured article Blade Runner has a Themes section which includes entirely equivalent material, I would think this article would benefit from the same. Autonova (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely convinced those sources are featured article worthy reliable sources. 1st appears doubtful, 2nd is a blog but may be worth discussion, 3rd is under discussion but is at best a situational source. Perhaps a WP:FAR is in order? Яehevkor ✉ 11:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I ended up using in the section are these: [7], [8], [9], and [10]. The problem is, the interpretations are popular, insightful, and directly verifiable with the game's content, but as you say they aren't cast iron sources from renowned publications. Although, the bloggers who wrote them do regularly write articles and they do command enough attention to demand they check their facts. The Blade Runner article includes similar sources, but many of them are books rather than blogs. If a featured article review is easy to do and revealing of what constitutes an adequate source then I'm all for it. Autonova (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Autonova: Well no, on the specific point of reviewing sources, you just post them to the Talk page at WP:VGRS. Also, it'd be cool if someone contacted some RS like IGN or Polygon, to write a summary of this stuff. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 16:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Smuckola: Ok thanks. I've started a discussion ([11]) on the reliability of Zeldadungeon. Vis a vis the remaining two sources, the zeldainformer source is already under discussion, and the cracked.com source is clearly reliable, but I'll start a discussion on that just to be thorough. Autonova (talk) 17:21, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest if sources aren't cast iron their place in a featured article has to be carefully considered (and by their very nature interpretations/theories are not directly verifiable to the game). LxRv (a.ka. Rehevkor) 20:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - I was very careful in selecting the sources. Although it's been reverted I'll continue to discuss it behind the scenes. Other works of art such as Blade Runner and Las Meninas have interpretation sections, where the main opinions about the work's meaning are detailed and analysed, and I think this article would benefit from the same. Autonova (talk) 22:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are some rather large discrepancies between what's happening in Blade Runner and your proposed addition to Majora's mask here. The "Themes" content in Blade Runner come from in-depth scholarly dissections from books and scholarly journals. High level stuff like this. Your proposal, as seen here takes a humor/satire website (Cracked.com) about "Crazy Fan Theories" that was cited back to a Zelda fansite - which are generally not considered an WP:RS. Very different sourcing and analysis. Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On a separate note, I came across this source, which was also brought up on my talk page. I do believe this is good content to add, and Game Informer is definitely a reliable source. But it really should be used strictly in the context given - Aouna concedes that there are themes with emotions in the game, but seems to be saying that the "5 Stages of Grief" theory, while loosely can be seen as fitting, wasn't their direct intent. Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your point about the sources, but, bearing in mind the Blade Runner section, is the style of writing appropriate? I'll continue looking for better sources. Autonova (talk) 10:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it could be appropriate, if it has Blade Runner type sourcing. Blade Runner has all sorts of evaluations on it, so its easier to make the claim of "It has been interpreted" type statements. With sources like you're working on, it'd only be accurate to make statements more like "Editor X of website Y found that the game's themes mirrored theory z". When you only have a single source or two, it's harder to accurately make those sorts of generalizations... Sergecross73 msg me 13:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I see, thanks. Autonova (talk) 14:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Using the Checklinks tool, I've gone through and updated dead links in the article. A few notes:

• Ref 3 (fixed) updated with Wayback, removed dead link tag.
• Ref 52 (fixed*) I updated a reference in the Video Game Reviews box for toptenreviews.com, but it looks like the TTR parameter is invalid, as the score is not displayed in the box in the article. I'm not sure if it should be changed or removed entirely, but it doesn't show up in the article.
• Ref 53 (fixed*) not actually broken, but the web archive version previously cited did not contain the information the citation is used to support. I've updated it to a later snapshot of the page that contains the relevant information.
• Ref 56 (fixed) updated with Wayback.
• Ref 76 (fixed) updated with Wayback, removed dead link tag.

--chrisFjordson (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest that we create a new page for the 3D "remastering" of Majora's Mask, just like with the 3D remake of Ocarina of Time a while back. Its obvious that we might have just enough info to go foward. TheMeaningOfBlah (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For now, let's leave it as a section. When it gets closer to release and more sources are published, it'll probably be fine (I have little doubt of there being enough to make a new article sooner or later), but for right now, it's too early for a separate article. Supernerd11 _{Firemind ^_^ Pokedex} 05:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi guys. I stumbled upon this reference which was archived in March 2000 (though I didn't go backward to narrow down when it was originally published to the site), wherein Nintendo.com referred to the game as The Legend of Zelda: Gaiden and The Legend of Zelda: The Mask of Mujula. These two names are expansions of the article's existing use of "Zelda: Gaiden" (and I imagine that "Zelda 64: Gaiden" was also historically seen) and "Mujula". Do you guys think it's noteworthy to include this as a historical note, or is it just an ephemeral mistranslation? I don't know enough context to know the significance or common use. Obviously the game was developed predominantly in Japan, and Nintendo of America was far behind on such things and most of that subsidiary's employees never fluently spoke Japanese. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 12:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Why isn't this part of the open world video games category? Ocarina of Time is part of it, and both games are very similar.

• Personally, I don't think Ocarina should be a part of it to begin with, as the game predates the commonplace usage of the term. It also doesn't really fit the general definition of open world either (as parts of the world are blocked off until a certain item is collected). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am proposing that the recently created Ben Drowned be restored to a redirect due to the article's myriad WP:OR and WP:FANCRUFT issues. There is little effort on the creator's part to address most of the article's problems, which include paragraphs being cited to Discord chatrooms, Spotify urls, podcasts, and primary-source materials that fail to support the claims. Several extremely long sections fail to cite any sources at all. 2601:192:8800:6F60:7522:61F4:1E14:1166 (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose 74.90.120.94 (talk) 02:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Yikes. I nominated it at AfD for a proper discussion. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Creator here, see nomination. KMWeiland (talk) 15:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More comments on Talk:Ben Drowned#Disingenuous edits and original research. 2601:192:8800:6F60:7148:1AA3:70F0:C489 (talk) 21:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. You know that saying of AFD not being cleanup? This applies to Merge discussions. I'll agree the plot summary section needs cutting, and certain info in one of its subsections needs citations, but otherwise a merge does not need to happen. 👨x🐱 (Nina CortexxCoco Bandicoot) 03:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Result of AfD discussion was to Keep Ben Drowned as a separate complete page, with the merge proposer agreeing that notability has been met. KMWeiland (talk) 23:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's time to WP:DROPTHESTICK, anon IP editor. Any issues you might have with the article can be resolved there and at its talk page; not by trying AfD and merges again and again. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 15:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:VG/REC, we should be generalizing these ranked polls/lists to avoid cluttered and badly written prose. On top of that, we should not be using GameFAQs as any sort of source because the entire site is user-submitted. We could mention their reader polls if it was covered by a third-party source however. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not used to Wikipedia editing, but this is something fairly notable in my opinion and I believe it deserves a place on this article. The original cartridge for this game is extremely fragile due to the plastics used, something Transformers fans call Gold Plastic Syndrome (Which might need an article here as well given how prevalent it is amongst vintage toys and similar items). Sadly, it's hard to find articles talking about Gold Plastic Syndrome and the items it has affected. The only place I can find that has a documented list of GPS items is the Gold Plastic Syndrome page on TFWiki.net which can be found here: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Gold_Plastic_Syndrome

However, the problem with this page is that it only documents GPS items from the Transformers franchise and their related toylines. However, it is possible to find instances of people referring to the problem these cartridges have as GPS. One instance is this Imgur gallery: https://imgur.com/gallery/1LklDUr. I also have two videos that describe Gold Plastic Syndrome, one showcasing an example and the other is the former lead designer of Transformers at Hasbro describing GPS and discussing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcjAUN5Ssj8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clP1CcxSZY4

Gold Plastic Syndrome is different from normal plastic breakage on items like these as it's not caused by someone stressing the plastic, it is instead caused by the chemistry of the plastic breaking down much faster than normal and becoming extremely brittle. A GPS item can be denoted by showing little to no stress marks upon breakage, which seems to be the case with Majora's Mask breakage. Photos of this can be found at https://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/xw93m/got_a_deal_on_a_broken_majoras_mask_cartridge/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/etugkt/rescued_a_wrecked_copy_of_majoras_mask_someone/. If you look at the examples shown on the TFWiki page, you'll see similar breakage.

The problem with sourcing this is that while this type of breakage is known, it's not been talked about in large papers and is only called GPS in the toy collecting fandom. I can show you countless examples of it breaking in the way I have shown off, but given the age of the cartridge and the fact that this is only talked about amongst a small niche of collectors means no one has really talked about it in a large article. I don't know if this would count as original research or if the links I've provided would count as a decent source, nor am I saying that we should call this breakage GPS as that's almost exclusively used by the Transformers fandom. However, I do believe given the fact that it is known amongst the vintage game collector fandom, we should at least include some note of it. I don't know if this counts as an extraordinary claim or not, but I tried my best to find sources that can help back it. PaladinDenn (talk) 06:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources included is reliable. In order for it to be written, there must be sources that explicitly state its noteworthiness. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 06:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many unsourced sentences, paragraphs, and sections. A455bcd9 (talk) 10:06, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]